“We definitely had concerns at that time yes,” says Pichai, after Epic’s attorney brings up how he penned a 2009 blog post suggesting Microsoft had an unfair advantage with Internet Explorer because it was tied to the operating system.

Yet Google requires effectively all Android phones to preinstall Google Play, set it on the default homescreen, and keep users from deleting it with its MADA contracts.

Earlier today, Epic asked, “Currently today, there’s not a single OEM selling a phone that hasn’t signed the MADA, right?” Pichai answered yes — while noting some OEMs have tried in the past.

Epic pointed out that they tried and failed. “Because consumers value what we provide with the MADA,” Pichai answered.